Has anybody tried the Killer Chiller from Kincaid Performance? The Mustang guys seem to really like it. Claim 40 to 50 HP thru cooler intake temps and less timing retard. Now making a Hellcat kit.
Killer Chiller
James White
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I remember that as an ice tank for cooling down the LTR fluid. That was purely for track use.
I had the KC on my 16 Scat Pack. My intercooler fluid for the Edelbrock supercharger stayed around 50 degrees on 85 degree days. I pulled it off as I planned on trading for the HC which I actually acquired tonight. I have it listed on eBay. I do not plan on cutting into my AC system on this car at this time. The payments are to high and I don't think Ill do more than a Barton shifter and BWoody intake for awhile.
I don't know how to post images but keep in mind, the AC system is R1234YF with different fitting for gauges. I bought adapters for my gauges and installed the industrial 12a refrigerant.
I don't know how to post images but keep in mind, the AC system is R1234YF with different fitting for gauges. I bought adapters for my gauges and installed the industrial 12a refrigerant.
Hey everyone i've been in contact with orrwhat and HemiC on verifying the different parts in the A/C are compatible with switching to 134a instead of the 1234yf. Not sure if anyone has gotten a quote on what an A/C recharge costs for 1234yf, but the lowest i've been quoted so far is $650. For 2Lbs of Refrigerant. So i'm switching my system to 134a. So far here's what i've found from a buddy who has a dealer contact.
"There is a lot of conflicting data but the 2013 compressor is different than the 2014 and up. The dryer is the same back to 2005, evaporator is same except for the Hellcats which are unique....probably because of the intercooler setup. However even with the different compressor I see 15s and 16s of varying models that have HFC-134A and also 1234yf"
The composition, pressures and temperature that 134a and 1234yf condense at appears to be extremely similar. However 134a is about 5-7% more efficient as far as cooling. If you're switching to the killer chiller which should raise the cabin temp 3-7* if you don't bypass the intercooler should stay the same as the pre KC/134a swap. I ordered mine on Tuesday and am hoping to have it in by Monday. I'll keep everyone update if interested.
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Edit: Update - still waiting on shipping info from Speedlogix...
"There is a lot of conflicting data but the 2013 compressor is different than the 2014 and up. The dryer is the same back to 2005, evaporator is same except for the Hellcats which are unique....probably because of the intercooler setup. However even with the different compressor I see 15s and 16s of varying models that have HFC-134A and also 1234yf"
The composition, pressures and temperature that 134a and 1234yf condense at appears to be extremely similar. However 134a is about 5-7% more efficient as far as cooling. If you're switching to the killer chiller which should raise the cabin temp 3-7* if you don't bypass the intercooler should stay the same as the pre KC/134a swap. I ordered mine on Tuesday and am hoping to have it in by Monday. I'll keep everyone update if interested.
Edit: Update - still waiting on shipping info from Speedlogix...
Or just use a tazer, since the beta version shows it cooling down the intercooler like the demon does
I think you are talking about the after run cooling just using the radiator fan to cool things down. That is not the chiller function.
If I lived in the South I would definitely get this...IAT's @ 90* vs. 120*-140* is like night and day...
You may be right to an extent... like where the tazer allows you to "cool the intercooler". I don't know if I agree with "like the demon does".
The tazer, I believe, allows certain components of the cooling system to run "manually" allowing the pump to continue to circulate coolant after the car stopped demanding it. This will help with bringing the coolant down to ambient temps. It is not actively chilling anything.
The Demon uses refrigerant and additional hardware to chill the coolant below ambient. There is far more technology and hardware involved in the Demon's approach than simply running a pump/fan that is already in the car. The Demon basically has an OEM Killer Chiller.
If you didn't want to use the tazer, I'm pretty sure you could jump a relay to run the I/C pump off of a switch or just the jumper itself while you're in the pits.
My local shop MeraMotorsports is currently building a killer chiller kit with a 2 gallon ice tank for a cat that made 950whp with a 50 shot. They just upgraded the fuel system and are headed for a 100-150 shot with it hoping to make 1100whp. Stock motor, pulleys, 1300's on e85, nitrous.
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Follow MeraMotorsports on instagram for crazy builds.
Follow DSMlights on instagram for a real tuner.
Follow MeraMotorsports on instagram for crazy builds.
It isn't possible to jump a relay to run the I/C pump manually because it requires communication and signal from the PCM to operate. Folks have tried and this is the generally accepted result. Wasn't possible before but now it is with the Tazer beta version.
I'm confused, are they making their own custom "Killer Chiller" cooled by the car's A/C system or are they just adding an ice tank or doing both? Call it what it is. An ice tank is not a Killer Chiller as that's a product name generally used to refer to a cooling setup that uses A/C. They both serve the same purpose though through different methods.
The demon has two separate functions that sound similar. The After Chiller which runs the fans and intercooler pump while the engine is off and then it also has a drag mode Chiller that cools the intercooler coolant with the car's A/C system while the engine is running. The first feature is mimicked by the latest Tazer update while the 2nd is essentially what the Killer Chiller is made by Kincaid.
Cool, thanks for clarifying.
Good to know.
If not just jumping a relay, wouldn't any 12v source pig-tailed into the pump wiring do the trick? Not that anyone wants to hack into their harness, just a thought. I didn't think the Tazer was an affordable alternative to something that could be accomplished with some wire, wire ends, and pliers. On the Jeeps, people really like the Tazer because it can run the truck in "2wd" ... interested to see what it can do for the 'Cat.
I'm 99% sure this wouldn't work without a bit of electronic trickery. The pump requires additional input to modulate the flow which is provided by the PCM. Without that input, it won't run. It's like a PWM controlled fan. Our radiator fan operates the same way, we can't jump our fan to turn on either with the engine off. Same deal with our electronically controlled active exhaust valves, can't jump that either.
Also, I think this discussion has been derailed from the original topic of the Killer Chiller product. We can continue in a Tazer thread if we want to hash it out some more.
I just ordered a Killer Chiller for my Hellcat. Fun times ahead!
I'll do my best!
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