[louiej611]

Speed/traffic cameras are unconstitutional on their face. I am a retired police officer and I have spoken to several judges here in the state of Tennessee. One was general sessions and another was a criminal court judge. The tickets that are sent to citizens are generated by a computer and a police officer reviews the video. The offense was not witnessed by a officer and is a misdemeanor that was not witnessed by a officer. They can send tickets to the person but it is not a criminal offense. The only way they can collect is to sue a person in civil court. This is the dirty secret of these cameras. This is also why criminal judges will not hear these cases in their courtrooms because there is not a witness to the offense. I have gotten three tickets in the past year and the only thing they can do is send you letters. These tickets are a ruse to raise money not for safety and benefits the companies greatly. Do not let the government take your rights away. Fear the government.

 

[1FSTCAT]

Speed/traffic cameras are unconstitutional on their face. I am a retired police officer and I have spoken to several judges here in the state of Tennessee. One was general sessions and another was a criminal court judge. The tickets that are sent to citizens are generated by a computer and a police officer reviews the video. The offense was not witnessed by a officer and is a misdemeanor that was not witnessed by a officer. They can send tickets to the person but it is not a criminal offense. The only way they can collect is to sue a person in civil court. This is the dirty secret of these cameras. This is also why criminal judges will not hear these cases in their courtrooms because there is not a witness to the offense. I have gotten three tickets in the past year and the only thing they can do is send you letters. These tickets are a ruse to raise money not for safety and benefits the companies greatly. Do not let the government take your rights away. Fear the government.

Fear the government? It's your locally elected city council men and women that voted to put those cameras in place. Everyone complains, but it can be revenue generating item for your city, just like parking fines. Not always, plenty of them fail are removed...especially when the issue is resolved and no one speeds or runs the stop signs. The concept of criminal or civil court is just another method to handle the disposition. There are plenty of folks that have won and lost in court based on camera tickets. Like everything, the likelihood that honest citizens that have been caught committing an offense will pay is greater than those that won't. Not sure how it's unconstitutional. You can catch a bank robber with a camera, you don't need a police officer to witness a car accident to cite someone, etc. I know it sucks, but the reality is you don't get a ticket if you're not breaking the law.

 

[blaze]

spray does not work ladies and gentleman. do not buy it.

 

[louiej611]

Yes fear the government, speeding is a misdemeanor and therefor it has to be witnessed by a police officer to be a crime. traffic cameras are not police officers. The cameras cannot pull over the offender, cannot interview the offender and most importantly they cannot identify the offender. Traffic cameras are a money grabbing ruse and are not accepted in criminal courts because they cannot identify the driver of the vehicle. Do not let the government con you into thinking they are a safety device. There are stated all across the US that are banning them because of their status. How would you feel if a police officer saw your car speeding, and instead of pulling you over and identifying you and giving you a ticket they ran your license plate number, got your address and sent you a ticket in the mail, and in this case it was not you speeding but it was a friend of yours who you had loaned your car. That is why they are unconstitutional on their face and judges all across the nation will not hear their cases in criminal courts. Be very afraid of the government.

 

[blaze]

uhhhh... just do not use the spray..

 

[CDNHellcat]

I'm very surprised to here a retired law enforcement officer be so negative about something that has proven to reduce harm.

Officer can't be everywhere all the time. Do cameras generate revenue, yes, do they cause the driver or in your scenario registered owner think twice about running a red light or driving to fast. For most it does just that. There are many areas that officers can't enforce where a camera will work.

Your rant about not trusting government sounds like someone who has received the ticket and does not like it.

Speeding, distraction, running red lights to name a few kill. In the USA alone over 37,000 people die annually for various reasons but have some component of the above.

I would suggest in your case that you don't speed or run a red light and instead of trying to find a loop hole take ownership for why you are there in the first place.

 

[louiej611]

You get me wrong the cameras are unconstitutional on their face. Judges do not like them. I do not believe the government has installed them for safety they have installed them to produce money. The constitution is a precious document, men have died for our constitution. The camera cannot determine who is driving the car. I am standing up for everyone's rights. Most police officers do not believe that the cameras are constitutional. Never seed your freedoms to the government. I have gotten three of these tickets and I will not pay them and there nothing that the they can do about it. That should tell you something. They cannot put points on your drivers license, they cannot ding your credit rating, they cannot arrest you. That should tell you something. They are wrong do not let the government buffalo you. Never seed your constitutional rights to the government in the name of safety. The hellcat is one of the most powerful cars produced today. What if some government official decided that it is too powerful and decided to ban it. This is the point I am trying to make. Most government officials are clueless. When i was a detective I worked as hard to prove people innocent as I did to prove them guilty. The difference in this country is you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Traffic cameras cannot tell who is driving the car, where as police officers see who are driving the cars. That is my major fault with the cameras. Do not give them more power than they have.

 

[blaze]

uhhhh just do not use the spray..

 

[16SRT]

My first encounter with a traffic camera was in Germany, in the mid-1990's. There, they photo the front plate, with the face of the driver clearly shown. I thought NJ was doing the same, but PA has no front plate, and very few traffic cams. I have been told by more than one police officer in PA, that license plate covers are illegal in our state. So, don't get caught with one, or your chances of getting any moving violation reduced or canceled will be nil.

The sprays? Why bother?

 

[Nitemare]

Luckily in Ohio the cameras have been shut down for reasons mentioned above - if officer is not present at intersection, you cannot be charged.

I don't know any tips/tricks for the cameras. This stuff looks like an interesting idea, but is clearly ineffective on those plates. I saw somewhere else an example of some type of reflective option working for blinding the camera when it flashes, but don't remember what it was. In a lot of cases where people have nice cars and like to go fast, officers already have several equipment offenses to choose from.

I personally don't run a front plate, and here's why: LASER is obviously the most deadly form of speed enforcement. Even using a LASER without magnified optics, on a fairly optimal surface (typically larger objects), a reading well over a mile away is easy to achieve. To get a long distance reading though, officers have to aim at something reflective - what's reflective, flat, and easy to see at distance? Your license plate. I have experience running LASER on cars with and without plates. A car without a plate is MUCH harder to get a reading on - takes several attempts, and at distance, forget it unless they have halogen lights (large reflectors). You are buying yourself time to slow down. Say the cop knows you were speeding, but couldn't get a lock on his LASER to charge you with it (officers can't use visual estimation for offenses in Ohio - know your laws people), so he gets you for a front plate violation instead. I'll take that all day long over speed - equipment in Ohio is lower cost, and it's not a moving violation thus insurance (the big killer) does not get affected. Running a front plate cover may or may not work, and is illegal in Ohio (equipment), so you might as well just remove the stupid plate and have a better looking car. I have illegal window tint as well, another equipment. Police are able to stop me all day long for equipment, but they never do - most are either too lazy, or actually trying to do real police work (hopefully the latter). As far as jammers go... don't think they're illegal specifically in Ohio, but if an officer were so inclined I am fairly certain he could peg obstructing official business on you if he takes evidence of the jammers.

Radar can be tough to beat like LASER, but also really easy if they leave it running 24/7. At least you have a chance of some advanced warning with a good detector if they are randomly targeting other vehicles prior to you. Plus in dense traffic, depending on the radar model and the judicial precedents in that area, you may be in good shape since it's going to be picking up closer/larger objects before you. But If they sneak up on you around a bend and turn it on as soon as you are within sight, and you don't react prior to them turning it on, you're toast.

 

[HellScoot]

Luckily in Ohio the cameras have been shut down for reasons mentioned above - if officer is not present at intersection, you cannot be charged.

I don't know any tips/tricks for the cameras. This stuff looks like an interesting idea, but is clearly ineffective on those plates. I saw somewhere else an example of some type of reflective option working for blinding the camera when it flashes, but don't remember what it was. In a lot of cases where people have nice cars and like to go fast, officers already have several equipment offenses to choose from.

I personally don't run a front plate, and here's why: LASER is obviously the most deadly form of speed enforcement. Even using a LASER without magnified optics, on a fairly optimal surface (typically larger objects), a reading well over a mile away is easy to achieve. To get a long distance reading though, officers have to aim at something reflective - what's reflective, flat, and easy to see at distance? Your license plate. I have experience running LASER on cars with and without plates. A car without a plate is MUCH harder to get a reading on - takes several attempts, and at distance, forget it unless they have halogen lights (large reflectors). You are buying yourself time to slow down. Say the cop knows you were speeding, but couldn't get a lock on his LASER to charge you with it (officers can't use visual estimation for offenses in Ohio - know your laws people), so he gets you for a front plate violation instead. I'll take that all day long over speed - equipment in Ohio is lower cost, and it's not a moving violation thus insurance (the big killer) does not get affected. Running a front plate cover may or may not work, and is illegal in Ohio (equipment), so you might as well just remove the stupid plate and have a better looking car. I have illegal window tint as well, another equipment. Police are able to stop me all day long for equipment, but they never do - most are either too lazy, or actually trying to do real police work (hopefully the latter). As far as jammers go... don't think they're illegal specifically in Ohio, but if an officer were so inclined I am fairly certain he could peg obstructing official business on you if he takes evidence of the jammers.

Radar can be tough to beat like LASER, but also really easy if they leave it running 24/7. At least you have a chance of some advanced warning with a good detector if they are randomly targeting other vehicles prior to you. Plus in dense traffic, depending on the radar model and the judicial precedents in that area, you may be in good shape since it's going to be picking up closer/larger objects before you. But If they sneak up on you around a bend and turn it on as soon as you are within sight, and you don't react prior to them turning it on, you're toast.

I would tend to agree on not running a front plate. In some states, yes it is illegal, but that is a risk each person must make up their mind for. I personally do not want holes drilled in my front bumper, end of story. So in my case, as the OP stated and agree forget almost all the spray products, they do not really work. There is one or two that I would not object to putting on my rear plate, but I tool would rely more on my countermeasures. 1) Best radar system (Today I am running a few windshield products MAX360 and Redline, this spring will be installing either a K40 or Bell STi system. 2) Laser detection is worthless. As I stated, laser does not disperse from the car in front of you to yours. You get no warning unless as mentioned above they do not get a clean front of car reading the first blast, but that is rare. From what I have researched, and this is only my opinion, Anti-Laser Priority is presently the best jammer out, and is converted to a park distance control sensor for legality. Blinder is another system. Stinger does both but is outrageously priced in my opinion and not sure it is more effective.

So to sum it up, forget the spray, go with a good Radar Detector AND Laser Jammer and you will be safer and have a better chance IF you happen to be distracted as speed.

 

[CDNHellcat]

I can't speak to US laws but in Canada a Jammer is completely illegal. The change for motorists is that a Traffic infraction be it criminal is minor in nature. Using a Jammer becomes a Criminal offence under our Federal Law which is significantly more serious in nature. The speeding ticket for say 21 to 40 kmh is 196 bucks in BC. Using a jammer guarantee's you arrest, court and potential jail time for up to 6 months!

Not worth it for us!

 

[HellScoot]

I can't speak to US laws but in Canada a Jammer is completely illegal. The change for motorists is that a Traffic infraction be it criminal is minor in nature. Using a Jammer becomes a Criminal offense under our Federal Law which is significantly more serious in nature. The speeding ticket for say 21 to 40 kmh is 196 bucks in BC. Using a jammer guarantee's you arrest, court and potential jail time for up to 6 months!

Not worth it for us!

Then by all means don't use one! Not even worth it, keep the speeding for the track and keep safe.
I would only advocate the use of a "parking sensor" for safety!

 

[Lord Hellcat]

Hey louiej611 I know where you are coming from. I don't have a problem with red light cameras. I can't abide people that run red lights. Don't come and live in the UK the world of the speed camera, bus lane camera, parking camera and the list goes on. Radar detectors are illegal in the UK. So is tampering with your license plates. France is even worse. If your sat nav gives you fixed camera point warnings the French police have the right to remove it from your vehicle and smash it to pieces. It is all about revenue raising not about safety in my opinion. A camera cannot judge if someone has been driving recklessly prior to running a camera. It takes a police officer to do that.

 

[blaze]

 

[He'll Cat Smud]

No Front Plate requirement in South Carolina! Thank God! Lol

 

[209srt8s]

No Front Plate requirement in South Carolina! Thank God! Lol

Nor Tennessee

 

[HellcatKid]

Speed/traffic cameras are unconstitutional on their face. I am a retired police officer and I have spoken to several judges here in the state of Tennessee. One was general sessions and another was a criminal court judge. The tickets that are sent to citizens are generated by a computer and a police officer reviews the video. The offense was not witnessed by a officer and is a misdemeanor that was not witnessed by a officer. They can send tickets to the person but it is not a criminal offense. The only way they can collect is to sue a person in civil court. This is the dirty secret of these cameras. This is also why criminal judges will not hear these cases in their courtrooms because there is not a witness to the offense. I have gotten three tickets in the past year and the only thing they can do is send you letters. These tickets are a ruse to raise money not for safety and benefits the companies greatly. Do not let the government take your rights away. Fear the government.

I can say you guys in the states are really lucky if this is the case just don't pay them well here in Canada if we don't pay the photo radar ticket it gets sent to vehicle registries and the next time we register our vehicle it gets added to the price with a nice hefty added processing fee to boot if we don't pay we don't get to drive at all!

 

[16SRT]

I can say you guys in the states are really lucky if this is the case just don't pay them well here in Canada if we don't pay the photo radar ticket it gets sent to vehicle registries and the next time we register our vehicle it gets added to the price with a nice hefty added processing fee to boot if we don't pay we don't get to drive at all!

... government of the people, by the people, for the people...

Now, show me the people who wanted the traffic cameras.

 

[CNYHC]

Red-light cameras are producing profits more than protecting drivers